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	<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 20:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on TAX BREAK – A Progress Report by Rob Power</title>
		<link>http://www.webbmartinconsulting.com.au/the-assessment/tax-break-%e2%80%93-a-progress-report/#comment-1467</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Power</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 03:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mae

Thanks for your comment.

For the purposes of when the investment commitment time occurs, the ATO distinguish between chattel mortgages whereby the mortgagee (i.e. financier) is the legal owner and one where the mortgagor (i.e. you) is the legal owner.

In the former case the time when the chattel mortgage contract is entered into is considered to be the relevant investment commitment time whereas in the latter case the time when the order contract is entered into is considered the investment commitment time.

You will need to check with the financier which category the particular chattel mortgage falls under.

Regards

Rob Power</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mae</p>
<p>Thanks for your comment.</p>
<p>For the purposes of when the investment commitment time occurs, the ATO distinguish between chattel mortgages whereby the mortgagee (i.e. financier) is the legal owner and one where the mortgagor (i.e. you) is the legal owner.</p>
<p>In the former case the time when the chattel mortgage contract is entered into is considered to be the relevant investment commitment time whereas in the latter case the time when the order contract is entered into is considered the investment commitment time.</p>
<p>You will need to check with the financier which category the particular chattel mortgage falls under.</p>
<p>Regards</p>
<p>Rob Power</p>
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		<title>Comment on TAX BREAK – A Progress Report by Mae Atendido</title>
		<link>http://www.webbmartinconsulting.com.au/the-assessment/tax-break-%e2%80%93-a-progress-report/#comment-1421</link>
		<dc:creator>Mae Atendido</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 20:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Rob,

I have had advice from a car Finance staff that a Chattel Mortgage approved by 31Dec is my only way to be eligible for a new car ordered yesterday 28Dec. And this is the same loan that other customers have done recently given that there are only a few days left for the tax break deadline.

Above article does agree with this.

My accountant is unfortunately on holidays and wont be back until mid Jan so I can only rely on information on the net.

I have found other articles and discussion on this too.

You think I am safe to go ahead with a Chattel mortgage approval?

Thanks very much and your website is so informative indeed.

Mae Atendido</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Rob,</p>
<p>I have had advice from a car Finance staff that a Chattel Mortgage approved by 31Dec is my only way to be eligible for a new car ordered yesterday 28Dec. And this is the same loan that other customers have done recently given that there are only a few days left for the tax break deadline.</p>
<p>Above article does agree with this.</p>
<p>My accountant is unfortunately on holidays and wont be back until mid Jan so I can only rely on information on the net.</p>
<p>I have found other articles and discussion on this too.</p>
<p>You think I am safe to go ahead with a Chattel mortgage approval?</p>
<p>Thanks very much and your website is so informative indeed.</p>
<p>Mae Atendido</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Assessment - Borrowing to invest by Superannuation Funds by Jeremy Khaw</title>
		<link>http://www.webbmartinconsulting.com.au/the-assessment/the-assessment-issue-7/#comment-750</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Khaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 00:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the conditions under the exception from the prohibition from borrowing in section 67(4A) of the SIS Act is that the monies borrowed from the superannuation fund are used to acquire an asset which the fund is not otherwise prohibited from acquiring. Further, the Explanatory Memorandum to the Tax Laws Amendment (2007 Measures No. 4) Bill 2007 states ‘the asset (or any replacement) must be one which the superannuation fund trustee is permitted to acquire and hold directly. The asset may be any asset (eg, real property, works of art in certain circumstances or listed securities) a fund would be permitted to invest in directly. The existing investment restrictions, such as those on in-house assets and acquiring certain assets from a related party of the fund, continue to apply.’

Self Managed Superannuation Funds Ruling SMSFR 2009/1, paragraphs 90 – 95 indicate that in certain circumstances, it may be possible for a superannuation fund to hold an interest in real property as a tenant in common. 

Care should be taken in such a situation as the separate borrowings by the two funds links the financial fortunes of the two funds and could give rise to issues such as providing financial assistance under section 65 if the parties are related. Meeting the requirements of section 67(4A) is only one of the matters to consider when advising if such a situation complies with the SIS law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the conditions under the exception from the prohibition from borrowing in section 67(4A) of the SIS Act is that the monies borrowed from the superannuation fund are used to acquire an asset which the fund is not otherwise prohibited from acquiring. Further, the Explanatory Memorandum to the Tax Laws Amendment (2007 Measures No. 4) Bill 2007 states ‘the asset (or any replacement) must be one which the superannuation fund trustee is permitted to acquire and hold directly. The asset may be any asset (eg, real property, works of art in certain circumstances or listed securities) a fund would be permitted to invest in directly. The existing investment restrictions, such as those on in-house assets and acquiring certain assets from a related party of the fund, continue to apply.’</p>
<p>Self Managed Superannuation Funds Ruling SMSFR 2009/1, paragraphs 90 – 95 indicate that in certain circumstances, it may be possible for a superannuation fund to hold an interest in real property as a tenant in common. </p>
<p>Care should be taken in such a situation as the separate borrowings by the two funds links the financial fortunes of the two funds and could give rise to issues such as providing financial assistance under section 65 if the parties are related. Meeting the requirements of section 67(4A) is only one of the matters to consider when advising if such a situation complies with the SIS law.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Assessment - Borrowing to invest by Superannuation Funds by damien clancy</title>
		<link>http://www.webbmartinconsulting.com.au/the-assessment/the-assessment-issue-7/#comment-532</link>
		<dc:creator>damien clancy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 10:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>with reference to your second bullet point can the asset held by that bare trust be a portion of a property ie 50% interest in a property as tenants in common rather than the whole 100%. Another superfund would hold the other 50% via the same structure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>with reference to your second bullet point can the asset held by that bare trust be a portion of a property ie 50% interest in a property as tenants in common rather than the whole 100%. Another superfund would hold the other 50% via the same structure.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Assessment - Borrowing to invest by Superannuation Funds by Jeremy Khaw</title>
		<link>http://www.webbmartinconsulting.com.au/the-assessment/the-assessment-issue-7/#comment-360</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Khaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 05:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Broadly, the effect of section 67(4A) of the SIS Act is that a super fund is not prohibited from borrowing money, or maintaining a borrowing of money, providing the arrangement entered into satisfies all of the following conditions:

* the borrowed monies are used to acquire an asset which the fund is not otherwise prohibited from acquiring; 
* the asset acquired (or a replacement asset) is held on trust so that the fund receives a beneficial interest in the asset; 
* the super fund has the right to acquire legal ownership of the asset (or, if applicable, the replacement asset) by making one or more payments after acquiring the beneficial interest; and 
* any recourse that the lender has under the arrangement against the super fund is limited to rights relating to the asset acquired (or, if applicable, the replacement asset). That is, the lender is able to have the right to recover monies where there is a default on the borrowing by repossessing or disposing of the asset acquired, but cannot have the right to recover such monies through recourse to the fund’s other assets. 
 
The second bullet point above requires that the asset is held on trust such that the fund only has a beneficial interest in the asset. This prevents the trustee of the fund owning the asset directly.

In our view, the most appropriate type of trust under which the asset must be held should be a ‘bare trust’. In other words, the bare trustee does no more than hold the legal title in the underlying asset, and has no active duties to perform with respect to the asset, and the super fund is ‘absolutely entitled’ to the asset.  

Your example of a member simply lending funds to the super fund would most likely breach the prohibition against borrowing in Section 67(1) of the SIS Act, and not fall within the exception in section 67(4).

More information on the instalment warrants and super funds is available on the ATO website at http://www.ato.gov.au/superfunds/content.asp?doc=/content/00132054.htm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Broadly, the effect of section 67(4A) of the SIS Act is that a super fund is not prohibited from borrowing money, or maintaining a borrowing of money, providing the arrangement entered into satisfies all of the following conditions:</p>
<p>* the borrowed monies are used to acquire an asset which the fund is not otherwise prohibited from acquiring;<br />
* the asset acquired (or a replacement asset) is held on trust so that the fund receives a beneficial interest in the asset;<br />
* the super fund has the right to acquire legal ownership of the asset (or, if applicable, the replacement asset) by making one or more payments after acquiring the beneficial interest; and<br />
* any recourse that the lender has under the arrangement against the super fund is limited to rights relating to the asset acquired (or, if applicable, the replacement asset). That is, the lender is able to have the right to recover monies where there is a default on the borrowing by repossessing or disposing of the asset acquired, but cannot have the right to recover such monies through recourse to the fund’s other assets. </p>
<p>The second bullet point above requires that the asset is held on trust such that the fund only has a beneficial interest in the asset. This prevents the trustee of the fund owning the asset directly.</p>
<p>In our view, the most appropriate type of trust under which the asset must be held should be a ‘bare trust’. In other words, the bare trustee does no more than hold the legal title in the underlying asset, and has no active duties to perform with respect to the asset, and the super fund is ‘absolutely entitled’ to the asset.  </p>
<p>Your example of a member simply lending funds to the super fund would most likely breach the prohibition against borrowing in Section 67(1) of the SIS Act, and not fall within the exception in section 67(4).</p>
<p>More information on the instalment warrants and super funds is available on the ATO website at <a href="http://www.ato.gov.au/superfunds/content.asp?doc=/content/00132054.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.ato.gov.au/superfunds/content.asp?doc=/content/00132054.htm</a>.</p>
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